It seems that the libs are screaming, we have to fix healthcare so let the bill pass! While the cons are looking at the fact that we really can’t afford a trillion dollar healthcare plan that will bankrupt the insurance industry.
Please also elaborate if you would.
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Why should anyone care about bankrupting the insurance industry? Screw those guys, they’ve been murdering Americans for decades.
I doubt it will bankrupt the Insurance industry, or the pharmaceutical industry either, it will however reduce their profit margins considerably, and enable Americans better health care.
Adam B nailed it. Let the insurance industry burn like they have many Americans.
No you forgot that alot of people don’t want the government in charge of healthcare period because majority of the government run programs in this country are unsuccessful. Also I doubt this program would fix healthcare. The government needs to fix all the bankrupt programs that are in place already.
It is not that it would bankrupt the insurance industry. It is a socialist policy that will not work. It will lead to rationing. Socialized medicine has resulted in rationing most places it has been instituted. There is no reason to believe that Obama Care would not result in rationing. Rationing is not in the plan, that is true. The plan will, however, result in rationing as there is no provision to prohibit it.
The insurance industry is about 1/6 of our economy but liberals never care about jobs or money as long as they’re talking about someone else’s.
What the for profit Health Care Industry is selling is a false sense of security to those who are healthy and paying them premiums then when the person is sick and needs bills covered the companies refuse to pay the bills. The person who is ill has to fight them in court to receive the service they had been paying for while they were well and now have need of it.
The Industry makes profits decisions at the cost of peoples lives.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0iIp1LWA3A
Canceling policies of good faith leaving the insured person without coverage to die answer is “we regret the nessesity”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVSxhjftEso
Denied a kidney transplant with the claim that it was “Experimental” then bowed to public pressure to allow the transplant just hours before the 17 year old girl died.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_pValNTeDY
The family seeks murder charges for CIGNA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w2NR2gnLus
There was outrage over the death of Neda, an election protester in Iran.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8jeEnlc__s
Where is the outrage for Nataline Sarkisyan who died for the CIGNA Health Insurance profits?
My preference would be single payer system which is what is used in France with success or Universal Insurance which is used in Germany. Both of these countrys appear to have already recovered from the recession.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financevideo/?bcpid=3469232001&bctid=33649680001
However, a public option is a compromise of choice to avoid disrupting the already established for profit health care system.
July 30, 2009
Gallop Poll Shows That US Health Care Sucks
By Mitch Cumstein
Well the analysis by Gallup didn’t actually say that the US health care system sucks, but that’s the gist of it.
In Great Britain, satisfaction with access to affordable healthcare (43%) is consistent with satisfaction with quality (42%). In Canada, satisfaction with access to affordable healthcare (57%) is slightly higher than satisfaction with quality (52%). But the most dramatic variation in satisfaction with these two facets of the healthcare system occurs in the United States, where only 25% are satisfied with the availability of affordable healthcare, but 48% are satisfied with quality. Once again, this dichotomy seems to support the hypothesis that private healthcare encourages high-quality standards, but may be a barrier to access and affordability.
On a less relative basis, the fact that 72% of Americans say they are dissatisfied with the availability of affordable healthcare, and 50% are dissatisfied with the quality of medical care are cause for concern. Regardless of how these numbers measure up to those in Canada and Great Britain, they indicate that the U.S. healthcare system has considerable room for improvement.
Basically it boils down to one thing. If you have health “insurance,” you get quality health care and you’re probably pretty happy. However, if you don’t have health “insurance” then you probably don’t get very good health care and you’d like something done about that.
But no matter how you slice it, we’re spending more than twice as much per person to provide health care than everyone else and access is limited therefore the quality of care sucks. The question of quality can’t be separate from that of access. If people can’t access the health care system, then who gives a crap how great the care would be if they could access it.
The Far Left now controls Washington and the big mistake is in believing the Far Left really wants to fix health care. Their primary goal is to make this country look like European countries with their cradle to grave welfare system and are using health care to achieve that goal.
We CAN’T afford it, it’s fact.
Coho is correct. There is no “rationing” in the actual health care bill. It was already passed in the Stimulus package.
Healthcare is currently in the hands of the patient and doctor, and the choices of how to treat this or that ailment is as well. If Obama gets his way, it will be in the hands of a 15 person panel that was created via the Stimulus package run by the GOVERNMENT. Do you want to be the one making those decisions or do you want Rahm Emanuals brother, who pushes for rationing of healthcare and wants your grandmother to “learn her place and move over for those who are younger”, to do so? He’s on that panel.
Researchers were given $1.1 BILLION via the stimulus bill and are working now on comparing drugs, medical devices, surgery, and other ways of treating specific conditions. It’s called “Comparative Effectiveness Research” which is based on the formula of the approval or rejection of treatment for patients based upon the cost per treatment divided by the number of years the patient will benefit from the treatment. In other words RATIONING of healthcare. Also part of that same provision, doctors who don’t follow those protocols will be risking loss of license to practice, if not jail time for deciding to follow their hipocratic oath and actually TREAT you. Lenin did the same thing in his day to control the masses.
http://www.readthestimulus.org/
Download the “final stimulus bill” listed on the left at the top. Pg 63 talks about the “comparative effectiveness research” though the section begins at the very end of pg 62.
Here’s the direct link to the final stimulus bill that passed.
http://readthestimulus.org/hr1_final.pdf
BTW, once the Obamacare plan passes, you will have no appeal option when refused medical care, unlike now.