Many people think we will become socialists if we pass Universal Healthcare, well I brainstormed some points.
PROS
-Professional healthcare becomes available to a larger proportion of the population
-Savings on healthcare bills means more money in peoples pockets = good for the economy
-Categorize healthcare, those seeking the best exclusive service and have the money to pay more can avoid competition for medical care in national hospitals
-Increased demand for Doctors/ Hospitals, creates more jobs
-Seeking medical care no longer becomes a financial dilemma or hindrance for most people
-Businesses can reduce amount of expense providing medical insurance creates, good for businesses especially small businesses.
CONS
-Higher taxes for the rich right now, but taxes may set to increase if population rises steeply but productivity in workforce and businesses falls.
-Decreased efficiency in nationalized hospitals as waiting queues may form, patients check in for unimportant reasons, private hospitals offer better salaries and higher the best doctors leaving national hospitals with less elite doctors.
-We have a lot of illegal immigrants in this country and may not be able to provide health care to everyone who is not a citizen…, so the problem of Emergency room clogging of non-emergency medical problems still exists…because that’s were you go when you have no coverage.
So are you Pro or against universal healthcare, if against I’d like to know why since I have less points on it.
robot_hooker, private care won’t be illegal, doctors will certainly be included in the decision making otherwise decisions cannot be made properly, there’ll be more doctors and nurses because wages will still be higher than most other jobs plus increase in demand will motivate people that they’ll get a job at the end of their education, people are already suffering and dying because they are unable to pay healthcare bills
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I’m tired of Death care paid for profit care. No one is offering Universal health care.
I would go for signal payer health care. Take the middle man out and it will cut health care cost by 1/3
Astro you sure don’t know what your talking about. 95% of DR want signal payer health care. They were kick out of the talks in committee by the Rep’s. See CSPAN/heath care on two.
So you think people that don’t have health care don’t work, where do you live on Mars. 62 million Americans CAN’T BUY health care because Insurance Companies will not sell it to them and if they do it’s FIVE times the price. SO THE insurance companies price them out of the Market.
God some Rep’s are just plain stupid.
John W you are taking out of your A@@. You have no idea about what is going on with the health care bill.
CONS
Standard and quality of care drops
Washington bureaucrats make medical decisions instead of doctors
Less doctors and nurses because goverment forces wages down
People suffering and dying on waiting lists
Illegal to purchase private health care (you can’t have universal health care unless everyone takes part)
Illegal to operate private hospitals
Higher taxes for everyone, not just the rich
Pro
Nobody is advocating nationalized hospitals so why you include that is a mystery.
You then state that less unnecessary use of emergency care is a con because because it doesn’t reach zero.
And you miss the most obvious pro – that universal coverage invariably leads to more early diagnosis and preventive care resulting in lower costs overall (US private plus public spending on healthcare is the highest in the world and twice the developed world average) and a healther population.
I’m for it. I have it. I’m Canadian. It’s not without flaw, but at least if i slice my hand open, or get into a car accident I don’t have to tell the paramedics what pocket my Visa is in.
ANTI, We have the best health care system in the history of the world if the government gets a hold of it they will ruin it ike every thing else they touch !
Putting it in “pro or con” terms is a gross oversimplification. There are many, many ways to pay for health care. One of the problems with the current debate is that people are rallying against a single-payer system, though nobody’s actually proposed such a system.
Having been in emergency medicine for a few decades, I’d be remiss if I didn’t straighten out some of your points in that regard. Non-urgent patients, illegal immigrants, and the uninsured are not significant reasons for overcrowding of emergency departments. The main reason for overcrowding is the delay from the time a decision is made to admit a patient and the time the patient actually leaves the emergency department to go to the inpatient bed. That’s especially true of special-care/intensive care beds. From there, everything else gets backed up.
I’m not in favor of it. All of the universal health care programs are having a hard time keeping it affordable. Another problem with it is most of these health care providers are located in urban areas thus making it difficult for people living in rural areas to get the care they need. Another problem is being able to utilize the services. They usually have long waiting lists. too many people can’t get the care or services they need, even life giving services. And my anti statement is that the Fed. Gov’t has never run anything as well as private industry can. As to your pros: How do you think this “free” health care program is going to be paid for? Taxes, taxes, taxes. If you really want to know more about this google universal healthcare and look for a comparison of all types of health care being offered in the world. Really opened my eyes. I just don’t recall where I found the information.
You forgot probably the most important con.
The same organization that is managing Medicare, medicaid, and social security will be the ones managing healthcare.
So in that light…CON
Pro, people are more important than insurance companies.
Pro, Medical expenditures grow faster than either the population or inflation. (See CDC website)
Pro, Spending taxes for health care makes more sense than an aircraft carrier named George H W Bush which will cost a billion a year to operate. (On top of the 12-13 other aircraft carriers still operating.)
Pro, Community Hospitals used to be the rule, not the exception, because we chose health over illness. (Until many were purchased for profit.)
Pro, cops aren’t socialism, fire depts. aren’t socialism, libraries aren’t socialism, schools aren’t socialism, and neither is the local hospital!
Pelosi says there will be a Healthcare Bill by July. Makes no sense to comment ’til we know what it is.
Depends on the universal healthcare proposal… I will tell you one thing: I am not happy with my coverage and reimbursement from my group coverage. My coverage has gotten worse over the last 4-6 years and my premiums are more expensive (I am paying almost 35% more than I was 6 years ago for less coverage from the same company)… something has to give.
I am open to universal coverage… it just depends on what I will get out of it. So far the commercial insurance is failing though so my mind is open.
Pro
I don’t want to pay 300/month for my healthcare that I’m paying now. Not including fees for dental, vision, and drugs
100% against universal healthcare.
I am pro healthcare for everyone. Whether it happens through universal healthcare or through the way Cherry described, it makes no difference. It is about time we own up and take care of our people. Especially how people are clinging to the idea of this “Christian country”.
Practice what you preach. Jesus wouldn’t bitch about paying for someones healthcare even if they were lazy.
Part one of Obama’s health plan is electronic monitoring of your medical records by some bureaucrat in Washington DC who will determine if a medical procedure proposed by your doctor is cost efficient. Medical care will be based on a formula that discriminates against the elderly and favors those in their 20′s and 30′s. The formula involves the cost of the treatment divided by the number of years that you might be receiving medical benefits. The higher the resulting figure the least likely that the treatment will be approved by the medical office in Washington DC. If a senior has osteoarthritis or bad knees, a knee replacement may be out of the question under Obama’s health plan. Treatments for younger patients are more likely to be approved. Obama’s health plan is based on a book written by Tom Daschle who was originally slated to be Health Secretary but was dropped from consideration because he didn’t pay his taxes.
Contrary to what you have said, there will be fewer doctors as medical decisions will be taken out of their hands to be decided by a bureaucrat in DC and rationed according to cost. After spending half their life in medical school and interning, doctors will no longer be able to make up for lost income under Obama’s socialist health plan or make their own medical decisions. Doctors will look for other professions where they can make a decent living. With fewer doctors and more patients, waiting lines for an MRI or a simple checkup could take 6 months to a year according to a description of healthcare by Canadian residents.
Healthcare as it stands now has its problems but everyone gets treated even if that person lacks health insurance. Hospitals do not turn anyone away if they have no medical coverage.
I’m pro universal health care.
Another pro is that the people who get health care illegally or for free it would be a lot cheaper on universal health care than our current system.
We spend so much on our health care but the quality is about as bad as China’s. Our Capitalism has outreached so far and pure Capitalism is worse than Communism. Our medicare system has been transformed into a predatory system.
i am against anything the government thinks it can run ‘better’ than the private sector. after all, we have program after program and example after example of govt.’s failure.
i also believe that if you say you can’t afford health insurance, but you have cars, tvs, cell phones, computers, internet svc etc etc then you are full of sh!
Pro.
First of all, Obama is not going to bring in universal healthcare. He wants to make insurance more available to all.
Second, of course universal health-cover sucks. That is why we in Western Europe have it. We think, hmm, our healthcare system sucks. I know, lets keep it. I guess that is the same with Japan and Canada as well.
FACT – the USA spends more on healthcare PER PERSON than any other nation on the planet.
FACT – the US has higher death rates for kids aged under five than western European countries with universal health coverage.
That means that a dead American four year old would have had a better chance of life if they were born in Canada, France, Cuba, Germany, Japan etc, all of which have universal health coverage.
Pro.
Pro- thousands of Americans die without proper health care. Canada has a great health care system. I have friends there and yes they have to wait sometimes but they also dont die by the thousands here in America, or go broke paying for operations and so on and go bankrupt.
So yes bring it on
I’m pro the option of universal health-care. We have the option of public school or private, so why not? Make universal healthcare a viable option for those who need it. It’s certainly going to be cheaper than what we pay for private insurance! Something needs to be done about health-care in our nation. We are the richest nation in the world yet people cannot afford to go to the doctor when they are sick unless you are super rich or super poor. Costs are out of control and the health insurance industry is a con.
CONS :
Higher taxes for everyone not just the rich, most of the elitist rich pushing UHC have tax shelters and exception clauses in place.
Lack of incentive for people to become doctors let alone immigrate to the country as they would be stuck in a lackluster substandard broken system with no way up unless they become bureaucrats.
Canada’s system fails all of it’s small towns like the ones on the USA border where all the Canadians go to pay cash in hand for X Rays CATscans and routine visits, our clinics do not close.
Those who support UHC are welcome to their opinion but when they see the real cost and continual failures of UHC, then there opinion doesn’t carry much weight.
When these clowns in DC are ready to do tort and insurance reform then we can work on health care. By the way, free market ideas are available but are being ignored for the easy answer but definitely wrong answer in the government running the show. There are two models to choose from the DMV where the red tape and lack of efficiency is obvious or the IRS model where there is no accountability and forced compliance.